Tuesday, April 18, 2006

Fundamentalist

I am asking for anyone to claim they are a fundamentalist. I am NOT asking you to tell me who is a fundamentalist in your opinion. I am asking for someone to admit they are a complete fundamentalist. Please.

DaVinci Code movie

Opus dei are expecting the film to include a disclaimer at the beginning of the movie. Is there a disclaimer in the front of the bible? Where is the outrage by these guys for that also? Why is there not a note in each bible saying this book is not to be taken literally and if you think you are going to defy science and live forever with Jesus in Utopian heaven you are scientfically ignorant. I guess because then the money thrown in the collection plates and the self-serving need to have a gullible following will cease.

Friday, April 14, 2006

This article is next to perfect

Blithering spiritualists
Category: Godlessness
Posted on: April 13, 2006 5:57 PM

Palazz has put me in a pissy mood, now. He's mentioned those pompous god-botherers at the Templeton Foundation, who awarded 1.4 million dollars to that credulous gasbag, John Barrow.

When Selfish Gene author Richard Dawkins challenged physicist John Barrow on his formulation of the constants of nature at last summer's Templeton-Cambridge Journalism Fellowship lectures, Barrow laughed and said, "You have a problem with these ideas, Richard, because you're not really a scientist. You're a biologist."

For Barrow, biology is little more than a branch of natural history. "Biologists have a limited, intuitive understanding of complexity. They're stuck with an inherited conflict from the 19th century, and are only interested in outcomes, in what wins out over others," he adds. "But outcomes tell you almost nothing about the laws that govern the universe." For physicists it is the laws of nature themselves that capture and structure the universe--and put brakes on it as well.

Yeah, and some physicists are little more than glorified numerologists.

Barrow's schtick is to go on and on about how fine-tuned the universe is, with every constant dead on exactly what it must be for life as we know it to exist. For this vacuous nonsense, the Templeton Foundation drops a million bucks on him. I think the Templeton should have just given all their money to Douglas Adams, for his elegant refutation of whole simple-minded game.

…imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!'

That idea was worth a prize, and it was expressed far more clearly than the fuzzy excuses for superstition offered by a pretentious physicist.

Similarly aggravating are the babblings of progressive, left-wing Rabbi Michael Lerner. He's trying to understand why some on the left are hostile to religion; he speculates that it's a reaction to the use of religion to justify oppression (but rejects that because there are totalitarian regimes that do not support religion), or personal experience with oppressive religious communities (but also rejects that because, as we know, many progressive leaders were also religious). By an inadequate process of elimination, he comes to his conclusion.

So I am led to the conclusion that the main reason that underlies the left's deep skepticism about religion is its members' strong faith in a different kind of belief system. Even though many people on the left think of themselves as merely trying to hold on to a rational consciousness and resist the emotionalism that can contribute to fascistic movements, it's not true that the left is without belief. The left is captivated by a belief that has been called scientism.

Umm, no…what a lack of imagination. He's so steeped in his faith that he is unable to comprehend that people might lack it, so he invents one, and claims we're believers in it. It's pathetic.

Here's a simpler explanation: many of us find his ancient tribal superstitions foolish, contradictory, irrelevant, and, well, stupid. We aren't rejecting them because we have leapt onto some other bandwagon for the credulous, but because we don't find him, or Jerry Falwell, or JZ Knight, or LDS President Thomas Monson, or Elizabeth Clare Prophet, or any of the endless chain of religious charlatans who have claimed divine insight, to be at all credible.

Scientism thus extends far beyond an understanding and appreciation of the role of science in society. It has become the religion of the secular consciousness. Why do I say it's a religion? Because it is a belief system that has no more scientific foundation than any other belief system. The view that that which is real and knowable is that which can be empirically verified or measured is a view that itself cannot be empirically measured or verified and thus by its own criterion is unreal or unknowable. It is a religious belief system with powerful adherents. Spiritual progressives therefore insist on the importance of distinguishing between our strong support for science and our opposition to scientism.

Look. If I let go of a bowling ball, it falls down. If I pick it up and let go again, it falls down. It's not a matter of "belief", it's an empirical matter that we can repeat over and over and we find that we get the same result. It's purely pragmatic. I don't have to possess any kind of belief in much of anything to find that F=G•m1•m2/d2 nicely describes the force between two masses, and science is accepted as a matter of testable utility (and if a scientific claim fails to be useful, it gets abandoned relatively readily). We get used to the fact that science is specific and testable and accomplishes things, and we get spoiled.

So when religion makes claims, such as that chopping bits of a baby's penis off marks them as 'special' to god, or that there is one deity who is actually three and one part of him got killed but came back to life, you have to recognize that those kinds of things just don't meet our standards anymore. It's not a matter of having adopted silly new dogmas that displace the old ones…it's that those ideas are absurd. They're untestable. They have no point. And when religious people say inane things like this,

As a scientist, Barrow has some useful advice for religious believers: "Don't be cowed because religious images are often naive or simple. They are merely a shadow of something far more sophisticated. And, as in science, as more knowledge accumulates, old ideas often turn out to be part of the deeper truth that eventually emerges."

We see right through them. There's nothing sophisticated about theology, except in the sense that they've managed to make astounding elaborate contortions in the struggle to rationalize the irrational.

Lerner goes on, and what he attempts to do is to make this an argument about meaning.

The secular left consistently disarms itself of what could be its most powerful weapon: a spiritual vision of the world. I've used the word "spiritual" as a label to identify a meaning-oriented approach to politics. Its focus is on the yearning of human beings for a world of love and caring, for genuine connection and mutual recognition, for kindness and generosity, for connection to the common good, to the sacred and to a transcendent purpose for our lives. Understand human history and contemporary society and individual psychology from the standpoint of these needs and the ways they have been frustrated, and then develop a strategy that addresses those needs, and we will be able to build a movement and a political party that will be in a position to bring about all the good things liberals and progressives have fought for with such limited success over the past 100 years.

No, no, no. The godless life does not mean we have a meaningless life, and is not the abandonment of purpose. We do not need religion or a belief in the unseen and unknowable and intangible and mystical to find value in the world and our lives. What kind of blind fool is this Lerner fellow to think that love and caring and connection and recognition and kindness and generosity are properties that require a belief in magic? Atheists embrace all of those virtues fully.

We are working for meaning in what actually exists. What we reject is meaning found in the lies of the religious—we are striving for truths, rather than affirmation of goofy superstitions.

If you want a solid progressive movement, build it on honesty and a steady willingness to test ideas against the real world. Don't build it on false dogma and the hokum of the religious. I don't care how well meaning or sensitive or kind to puppy dogs Lerner might be—he's asking that our futures be built on the rotten framework of his personal delusions. No, thank you. Keep your spooks and cosmic boogeymen out of real world politics.

Friday, March 24, 2006

Ir or whomever

I'm being a jerk, provoking on OTM today on purpose. To make theists see where I really can be insulting and childish but to make atheism as blunt and honest as they can imagine. I'll apologize tomorrow and beg for forgiveness but bear with me today.

Wednesday, March 22, 2006

Tax money for vouchers but no accountability? How nice

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-0321fcatvoucher,0,2821876.story?coll=sfla-news-florida

Florida House votes down voucher school FCAT requirement

By Bill Kaczor
Associated Press Writer
Posted March 21 2006, 5:18 PM EST


TALLAHASSEE -- The Republican-controlled Florida House rejected a Democratic proposal Tuesday that would have required voucher students who attend private schools at taxpayer expense to take the same standardized test as children in public schools.

It was offered as an amendment to a bill (HB 7041) that would let most students in an unconstitutional voucher program switch to another one that has not yet been challenged in court.



LocalLinks

The amendment would have required that voucher students, except those who are disabled, take the Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test, or FCAT, which the state uses to grade public schools. It failed on a voice vote. The House is expected to take a final vote Thursday on the bill. It would require voucher students to take other standardized tests chosen by their private schools or voluntarily take the FCAT, said the sponsor, Rep. Joe Pickens, R-Palatka.

``If it's good for public schools, why aren't we painting everybody the same way?'' asked Rep. Ron Greenstein, D-Coconut Creek. ``If the FCAT is the whole and mighty grail in student promotion and student graduation, why shouldn't it go ... to these other schools, too?''

Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, responded: ``These are not schools that we run. We have difficulty running the schools that we need to run.''

The bill, however, would give the state a greater say in the operation of schools that take students in the two remaining voucher programs. That includes a requirement that teachers and others who come in direct contact with children undergo fingerprinting and criminal background screening.

A program supported by corporate tax credits provides vouchers to students from low-income families. Disabled students, including those with learning disabilities, can obtain vouchers through another program named for former Senate President John McKay.

Together the two programs have about 30,000 students. The Florida Supreme Court earlier this year declared the Opportunity Scholarship Program, with about 700 students, in violation of a state constitutional provision that requires a uniform system of free public schools.

Students from public schools that received an F on the state's grading system for two years in a four-year period were eligible for opportunity scholarships.

The vouchers were a cornerstone of Gov. Jeb Bush's 1999 A-Plus program for public school accountability. The threat of losing students to the voucher program was seen as an incentive for schools to improve.

Pickens said his bill would let opportunity scholarships students transfer to the corporate voucher program if they meet the income requirements. He said 75 percent -- about 525-- of the opportunity scholarship students could make the switch.

Lawmakers also have introduced a proposed state constitutional amendment that would get around the high court decision by letting the Legislature pass voucher programs for virtually any reason. It has not yet made it to the House or Senate floor.

Tuesday, March 21, 2006

Freedom of religion for all

As someone who cherishes the freedom of religion including freedom from religion I think we all can unite in seeing the injustice in this.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49345

FAITH UNDER FIRE
Man faces death penalty
for becoming Christian
Despite ouster of Taliban by U.S., court still prosecutes ex-Muslim

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Posted: March 19, 2006
1:59 p.m. Eastern



© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


Despite the fact the hardline Taliban regime is no longer in power, an Afghan man faces possible execution for allegedly abandoning his Islamic roots and becoming a Christian.

"Yes that's true, a man has converted to Christianity. He's being tried in one of our courts," Supreme Court judge Ansarullah Mawlavizada told the Middle East Times.


The case centers on Abdul Rahman, believed to be 41, who converted from Islam to Christianity some 16 years ago. His relatives reportedly notified authorities about the conversion.

The constitution in Afghanistan is based on Shariah law, which states any Muslim who rejects his or her religion should be sentenced to death.

"We are not against any particular religion in the world. But in Afghanistan, this sort of thing is against the law," the judge told the Associated Press. "It is an attack on Islam. ... The prosecutor is asking for the death penalty."

If he indeed is sentenced, Rahman would be the first person punished for leaving Islam since the Taliban was ousted by American-led forces in late 2001, in the wake of the Sept. 11 terror attacks on the U.S.


Prosecutor Abdul Wasi says he offered to drop the charges if Rahman made the switch back to Islam, but the defendant is maintaining his Christian beliefs. The judge is expected to rule within two months.

About 99 percent of Afghanistan's 28 million people are Muslims, with the rest mostly Hindus.

Monday, March 20, 2006

"politics"

I just heard that we liberals keep insulting the average Texan. That leads to Perry being reelected if too many people view it that way and that is correct. How are we liberals insulting the average Texan? Please provide examples if you can.

Friday, March 17, 2006

Why atheists should never say all christians are....

A christian blog host said the following to me :TX has been a faithful contributor to this conversation.

In another set of comments betwen TX and Nutrideath I rush-read some comments I found upsetting and posted my own comments saying something like “we don;t talk that way to each other here”

I was out of place and must have misread the comments for which I am sorry.

TX please forgive me and continue to contribute to this rich dialog.


For this guy to be this up front about a simple error. It makes me realize that I can't say all xians are guilty of.... I guess this is my way of saying it takes a big man to do what he did. I learned something.

Thursday, March 09, 2006

Proof/evidence

I get weary when I hear people say they interpret things and therefore that is evidence for their belief. If you read the bible/koran/gita/book of mormon and get some sensation in your mind that does not constitute proof for god. I'm also patient when I hear people abuse the word theory. Incompetent Design by any other name is not a theory. There is no testable hypothesis. So, if you hear someone say theory or proof, let's all work together not to use them improperly.

Wednesday, March 08, 2006

CS Lewis

This is a personal request for this guy to post on news8. It has nothing to do with the author named CS Lewis. Atheism 101 lessons.

Monday, March 06, 2006

atheists in jail

I've been given a statistic from the Penn Jillette show. Of the surveyed 75,000 inmates there were 156 prisoners identifying themselves as atheists. That's actually higher than I thought. I think .2 percent is accurate but I've only ever heard of 2 atheists. One on a HBO program and one who wrote to the Atheist Community of Austin asking for reading material.

Tuesday, February 28, 2006

Free speech censorship

I received a phone call the other night from a company that sounded religious by it's name. They wanted to know if I was tired of the movies Hollywood was putting out and wanted family friendly movies. I said the movies that Hollywood puts out are fine. My frame of mind was I have a choice to go see them or not. This guy's response was a rhetorical, "Excuse me?". He then went on his speech again and I said he didn't have to buy or watch the movie right? He just kept talking about what they wanted to do and asked for money. I asked him one more time if he had to go see those movies and he said, "ok bye" and hungup. I found their organization on the web and sent a letter. The policy states I will receive a reply in 24 hours. It's been a week and nothing. Is there anything wrong with supporting movies you like and not demanding others not be made? I bought Heart of the Beholder because of these censorhip attempts on The Last Temptation of Christ movie.

Monday, February 27, 2006

Why must people do this to non-xians?

This Sunday I helped my ailing grandma move into a nursing home. As we passed by the entertainment room there was a xian sermon going on and I overheard the preacher say "The Universal Unitarians spread lies and deny Jesus....." so I waited and listened. A young guy, preacher's assistant, saw me standing there and brought me a chair to sit. I said no thanks but informed him I was Unitarian. I waited and after the sermon approached the minister. I introduced myself and said I'm a Unitarian, atheist. She asked if I believed in god to which I replied there is no god. She asked about JC and I said JC never existed. She said there is evidence and I said it was changed after the fact so there is no evidence. We shook hands and she said that it's important for us to understand each other. I said "Maam, I completely agree" and left with a smile.

Friday, February 24, 2006

Atheists and morality

I understand that Christians, usually Christians, find their morality in the bible. What is the presumption that atheists can't be moral when most are aware of the bible but also take secular ideas into consideration? Last I heard there are almost no atheists in the US prison system. Does that imply that we understand moral code in a societal sense?

Atheist in the South

I wanted to start out with prejudices right off the bat. Why is there such a connection with the bible belt and the South. Why is it that way? The earliest Pilgrims from Europe came to the New England area in the North but now we associate the south with the bible belt. Is it a fair stereotype or is the North just as much a bible belt and conservatively religious?